In the comment section, I wrote:
The Dimonds are jealous because they’re not the only ones out there promoting sedevacantism. They want to be THE go-to-guys, and they alone want to be right. They’ve been proven to be wrong on a central issue and can’t stand it.
They read my book which clearly debunks all their arguments and then some, and therefore, want to use me in one of their exhibitions (debates) so that I would lose all credibility. I wanted a gentleman’s bout in the ring, but they refused. They would only have a mud wrestling contest knowing where all the obstacles lie against me.
Also, notice very carefully that they’ve tried to censor me in every respect. They removed an old comment of mine from their website. They refused to use my full name and website in the first debate, because they know that people will find my writings that thoroughly expose their lies and misrepresentations on baptism of desire, and whatever else.
They’re blinded with pride and refuse to admit error on anything. They rashly judge everyone’s hearts and motives, they judge the Church’s laws and catechisms, papal encyclicals, decrees, etc. and they even claim through implication to know me better than I know myself on salvation.
They think they are gods. In fact, they’re antichrists of the highest level giving traditional Catholicism a very bad name. How many Catholics have refused to hear traditional Catholic teaching because of the nastiness of the Dimond’s? I personally know 3.
I should have taken the advice and teaching of all the Church fathers and had no communication with such non-Christians.
From here on out, I will block all future comments from them and any of their constituency.
After I posted this comment, Dimond commented again, which I sent to spam. I’ve interjected my own comments in bold into his following comment that I decided to post here.
I recognize that you are frustrated, after having been exposed in our previous debate and after having backed out of the second debate because you are afraid that you will be exposed and refuted again.
SPERAY REPLIES: Dimond continues this line of argumentation after I’ve clearly explained my position where I stood in the debate and why I won’t debate him again. He never refuted anything in the debate. You won’t be able to put on paper where I was refuted. If anybody thinks he can, please send it to me. I’m not frustrated at all, but Dimond is. Now he has to go to work and try to discredit me, and defend himself with long writings. It’s going to take a lot time and he knows that he must do it because his pride won’t allow him to admit any error. It’s funny really, how little nobody me is eating him up so bad. How long did it take him to write this comment to me? How much time does he spend thinking about me and how to destroy me? All his efforts against me has launched my website with tons of hits and personal emails; the very thing he didn’t want. I’m sure he won’t stop either, because he’s on the hot seat.
With regard to the previously agreed to second debate, you now say: ‘I WON’T DO IT!’
SPERAY REPLIES: Dimond omits the rest of my comment that explains what I won’t do…
The only way to debate him in his controlled debates and appear to win, would be to stoop to his level and use his own tactics of nastiness, interruptions, ad hominums, etc.
I WON’T DO IT! IT’S CHILDISH.
CALL ME A COWARD IF YOU LIKE, BUT I LAID OUT SEVERAL REASONABLE WAYS TO DEBATE HIM AND HE REFUSED THEM ALL.
NOW THAT I’VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT THE LAST DAY OR SO, I REALIZE WE SHOULDN’T ENGAGE WITH SUCH NASTY, ARROGANT, AND PRIDEFUL PEOPLE IN ANY FORM, MUCH LESS A PUBLIC DEBATE.
THEY SHOULD BE IGNORED AND REJECTED.
I WAS WRONG FOR EVER HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM.
I’m giving you a final chance to change your mind. If we agree in advance to do it on some evening, perhaps this week, will you do it on the topic and with the parameters we discussed? We can go two minutes back and forth, with mature flexibility for questions here and there.
SPERAY REPLIES: Now Dimond is changing his position. He wouldn’t have it this way originally. Why the change now AFTER he’s read that I won’t engage in any communication with him? He knows that I won’t change my mind, and he can tell everybody that he gave me the fair chance and I coward out. Quite frankly, I would like to play his dirty game, but I’m taking the advice of several trustworthy people to ignore him totally.
If you don’t e-mail me back within the next day or two, with a clear statement that you will do the telephone debate, I will move forward with the conclusion that you have firmly and finally decided not to do it. But recognize this: this is your last chance to ever have a debate with me.
SPERAY REPLIES: I have firmly and finally decided never to have any communication with any person who acts so childishly and uncharitably as Dimond.
The only reason I’ve dedicated this attention to you is because you were a potential debate opponent with whom I could examine in detail various aspects of these issues in order to illustrate the true Catholic position and further refute and expose false positions which oppose it (e.g., BOD, etc.). Our previous debate demonstrated quite clearly that you are a heretic and a liar, who accepts the heresy that souls can be saved in any religion, who lies constantly, and who can hardly answer a simple question without contradicting himself.
SPERAY REPLIES: Dimond holds that any person who accepts BOD is a heretic, anyone who defends it is a liar. I clearly explained that absolutely no one can be saved in any religion, but only in the Catholic religion. It’s precisely this garbage from Dimond that I refuse to have any communication with him. He’s the liar and any debate with him would only be waste of time, because he doesn’t listen.
Originally you also had no problem doing a series of debates with me. It was only after you were completely refuted in the first debate that your sentiment changed.
SPERAY REPLIES: I’ve proven this statement to be a lie. I was willing to go the distance, until he became unreasonable, made lying statements that I was shown to believe “that that souls can be saved in any religion” and his unbelievably rude phone call at 1 am.
Since you were already exposed in one debate, another debate with you is obviously not necessary.
SPERAY REPLIES: So why continue if it’s not necessary? Like I said, he wants to use his childish debate tactics where my side get glossed over with his many ad hominums.
So, this is your last chance. If you do not respond with the indication that you will do it, I will proceed without you and there will never be another debate between us. I will either cover the points of refutation on the specified debate topic in a video, audio or article, or I will completely refute your position as if I were having the debate, despite your failure to appear.
SPERAY REPLIES: And, of course, I will reply to each of his lies on paper or in a video myself.
With regard to your writings, which, in your delusion, you consider good, recognize this: if we had a written debate you would be refuted just as clearly as you were in the telephone debate, and that would be obvious to all good-willed people; but it’s a complete waste of my time when I can cover the issues and refute you in one or two hours in a telephone debate.
SPERAY REPLIES: If this were true, Dimond would have them in his book, but they aren’t there.
For instance, prior to our telephone debate on your heretical priests, we had already proven, in writing, that the aforementioned priests do in fact believe souls can be saved in non-Catholic religions. You, on the other hand, claimed, in writing, that they do not believe that. Your position, expressed in writing, was a joke. You were simply too blind to realize it.
SPERAY REPLIES: What’s a joke is Dimond’s explanation and failure to apply certain principles. Dimond is simply too blind with pride to realize it.
Our position, expressed in writing, was true, sound and convincing to any honest person.
SPERAY REPLIES: Dimond calls anyone who disagrees with him a dishonest person. So his repeated assertion that “any honest person” or “a person of goodwill” will see his side is moot. He only accepts those who believes as he does. Everybody else is dishonest or bad willed.
In our telephone debate, we saw whose position, which had been expressed in writing, was true and held up. It was ours. The same would be true on every aspect of disagreement we have expressed on these matters in writing.
SPERAY REPLIES: Dimond’s has quite a high opinion of himself. He’s never wrong about anything. He thinks that he’s infallible!
Your writing is filled with blatant errors, omissions, outrageous lies, and false arguments. I could literally write a book proving it. Your positions, and the objections for BOD, have already been crushed in writing. You are just too blind and dishonest to see it, and that fact would be quite obvious if we had another telephone debate.
SPERAY REPLIES: I will show, as I’ve already begun to do with a series of writings, that Dimond’s position is filled with blatant errors, many omissions, outrageous lies, and false arguments.
For example, just as I wrote about 50 pages refuting every page of an article by John Salza, or a long section on all of Fr. Laisney’s lies and false arguments, and many similar articles, I could do a similar article on your blog posts and book. I could expose in detail every one of your false arguments, lies, omissions, distortions, etc.
Here are just a few of the blatant lies in your writing (I could spend time covering many other errors and dissecting your false argumentation at length, if I wanted to). I will probably mention these in an audio on our site, in case you attempt to hide these facts on your blog.
On pages 17 and 45 of your book, you use the false translation ‘except through’ instead of ‘without’ with regard to Sess. 6, Chap. 4 of the Council of Trent. You repeatedly used this blatantly false, and grammatically indefensible, translation of ‘sine’ (which means ‘without’, not ‘except through’) in order to give a false impression well after you knew it was a false translation. You used it despite knowing that it’s false. That’s a mortal sin and a deliberate attempt to falsify a papal document.
SPERAY REPLIES: I used the translation found in Denzinger. However, I used the “without” translation in canon 4 immediately before the decree in ch. 4. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE ARGUMENT! I even explained why Dimond’s argument using “without” doesn’t work at all. I didn’t need to give a false impression. Dimond is the one who gave the false impression that the canon and decree mean something besides how the Church has officially recognized it.
In your book you cite St. John Chrysostom, as if he’s teaching baptism of blood as a substitute for water baptism, when he’s referring to the martyrdom of an already baptized priest named Lucian. If you would have studied our writing on that issue, you would have learned that.
SPERAY REPLIES: Here’s the quote by St. John Chrysostom: “Do not be surprised that I should equate martyrdom with baptism; for here too the spirit blows with much fruitfulness, and a marvellous and astonishing remission of sins and cleansing of the soul is effected; and just as those who are baptized by water, so, too, those who suffer martyrdom are cleansed with their own blood.” He’s clearly teaching Baptism of Blood, for he says, “just as those who are baptized by water.”
Your writing contains many other lies and false statements on ‘baptism of blood’, which I will not spend time covering here. It’s also interesting that you hold the repeatedly anathematized heresy that infants can be saved without the Sacrament of Baptism.
SPERAY REPLIES: I’ve address this point here: KO Argument in Defense of Baptism of Blood and Desire
You repeatedly write things such as the following, which are, of course, blatant lies:
“Every pope and saint is against them [on BOD]” – completely false mortally sinful lie.
SPERAY REPLIES: It’s true generally speaking. Can anyone point out a pope that has rejected the concept of Baptism of desire especially after Trent?
“…They [popes] have taught it [BOD] over and over in encyclicals…” – false mortally sinful lie
SPERAY REPLIES: Pope Innocent II taught it once. Pope Innocent III taught it once. Pope St. Pius V taught it with his Catechism, Pope Pius IX taught it twice. Pope St. Pius X taught it with his Catechism and the Roman Catechism. Pope Benedict XV taught it in the law. Dimond is doing the lying.
These are just a few of the lies in your writing. I have not bothered to expand upon the many other pages of your false argumentation, distortions, errors, failure to address key points and quotes, etc. There are literally hundreds of such things in your writing.
SPERAY REPLIES: So far Dimond hasn’t shown one error yet, unless you include Denzinger’s mistranslation which doesn’t affect the argument.
You misidentify key documents in a way a person familiar with the issue would not; you contradict yourself on central claims, etc. Many of these facts will probably be covered in an audio now that you have backed out of the second debate – not because your writing is overly significant, but because it further demonstrates the falsity of BOD and its defenders. The only things your writings expose are the numerous flaws in your arguments. I could expatiate on this point if I wanted to.
SPERAY REPLIES: I’ll be waiting to see, but if Dimond can easily misrepresent me, then you can bet that he’ll do the same with everyone and everything else.
It’s also interesting that, after I pointed out how your blog comments deliberately omitted numerous e-mails in our correspondence, in order to hide key facts and give a false impression, you have now added those missing e-mails to the previous post on your blog in order make it appear as if you had them there all along. That’s very interesting. By doing so you also dishonestly attempt to make it appear as if I was inaccurate in saying you omitted those e-mails, when I was not. You indeed omitted them. By the way, I have electronic proof of both versions of your blog post – the one which omits the e-mails, and the one which contains them.
SPERAY REPLIES: Another lie. I stated, “IT’S THERE NOW” after Dimond pointed it out. I didn’t intentionally omit anything. I showed where I omitted some of my own emails that show where I stand. Dimond’s point is moot except that it proves that he rashly judges and condemns as usual. He thinks he’s a god.
In conclusion, our previous debate, and your refusal to have the second debate which you agreed to have, says all one needs to know. If you do not indicate within the next day or two that you have changed your mind about doing the next telephone debate, I will proceed as mentioned above.
-Bro. Peter Dimond
SPERAY REPLIES: I’ve clearly dealt where I stand. Everyone who reads this post can know beforehand, that Dimond will continue with his misrepresentations of my work. Not surprising, he does the same thing with the Church, because he thinks he’s a god who knows it all.When you have a god complex like Dimond, you never need to apologize, never need to be corrected, never commit errors, can never be questioned, think your views are the logical ones (because you see everything in a twisted way that runs contrary to the obvious), think you can read the hearts and motives of all men, and that everyone else has the problems while you have all the answers. You even think you know better than the whole Church as you call its official catechisms, laws, encyclicals, etc. erroneous because they don’t square up to your personal interpretation of the Bible, Councils, etc. I WON’T DEBATE OR EVEN COMMUNICATE WITH THE LIKES OF DIMOND AND HIS ILK.