The Vatican’s Veneration of Arch-Heretic Martin Luther

When I think of the most wicked and notorious humans who’ve ever lived, Nero, Caligula, Diocletian, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot all come to mind. However, I would rank Martin Luther at the top of the list right behind Arius and Judas Iscariot.

Judas is #1 because he knew Christ, betrayed him, killed himself, and Christ told us that it would have been better had he never been born. He’s also the only person the Catholic Church has ever taught went to hell. [1] Luther taught that Judas was operating under God’s positive Will. This is just one of Luther’s many blasphemous heresies.

Arius argued against Christ’s divinity and it shook up the Church. Many bishops fell into Arianism throughout Christendom. St. John warned against those like Arius, “And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus is not of God. And this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh: and he is now already in the world (I John 4:3).”

Then we come to Martin Luther, the ex-Catholic German Augustinian priest. He was a narcissistic, foul-mouthed, blaspheming glutton and drunk. Luther sinned boldly. With striking parallels with Hitler, Luther led a German campaign against the Catholic Church and Jews. Like Hitler, his death is also controversial. It’s related by several different documented sources that Luther committed suicide. [2]

Luther was no reformer or savior of Christianity. The Church never needs to be reformed in doctrine or else the Church would not be pillar and ground of the truth (I Tim. 3:15). Luther essentially argued that the gates of hell prevailed against the Church for hundreds of years. He stood against all of Christendom with his own personal doctrines to fit his own personal religion.

Luther left his convent, broke all his solemn vows to God, married a nun, and began a revolution, which has led countless souls astray from the true Faith, the sacraments, and ultimately Christ. His revolt is felt heavily today, since most all so-called Bible Christians of Protestantism, Fundamentalism, and Evangelicalism follow Luther’s sola scriptura doctrine, which is the very foundation for the mess we see in today’s secular society. Every man for himself on what constitutes the Word of God and how it’s to be applied. Therefore, man becomes the final arbiter of truth and the Christian nation is ultimately destroyed. Christ is no longer recognized as the King of all nations. Man rules himself as he feigns love and devotion to God. Man ends up worshiping himself. Luther’s defection with the backing of the German princes has led the world down a path of destruction and the forming of the final Antichrist.

Luther, himself, was an anti-Christ who denied the Word of God of Sacred Tradition and the authority that gave us the Holy Bible. What pride Luther had and what folly by those that follow him or his doctrines.

That person, pride, and folly are praised by the Vatican 2 popes.

Following the Second Vatican Council, the Vatican began cozying up to the followers of Luther’s doctrines. It first acknowledged that these heretics are true Christians and their religions make up part of the Church of Christ. [3]

Rome issued a new mass devoid of nearly all of the prayers used in the ancient Latin Rite. In concocting this new mass, Rome allowed the collaboration of six Protestants, in order that the new rite would please Lutherans and Anglicans. Keep in mind the Catholic maxim, Lex orandi, lex credendi, the law for prayer is the law for faith.

On Nov. 6, 1983, John Paul II issued a letter, which praised Martin Luther. The letter was to mark the anniversary of Martin Luther’s 500^th birthday. [4] On Dec. 11, 1983, John Paul II participated in a Lutheran religious celebration of Martin Luther’s legacy, again praising him.

In 1999, John Paul II approved the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification, which acknowledges the Lutheran religion as part of the Church of Christ, which necessarily rejects the formal unity of the Church, a complete heresy.

John Paul II continued his ecumenical relationship with the Lutherans through joint prayer celebrations and events. His successor, Benedict XVI, would follow in his footsteps.

On March 14, 2010, in a Lutheran temple in Rome, Benedict XVI preached on the anniversary of the joint declaration on justification.

On September 23, 2011, Benedict XVI met with the Lutheran council in Erfurt and celebrated an ecumenical service in the chapel of the Lutheran monastery of St. Augustine. There, Benedict XVI would bow towards the Lutheran altar devoid of sacrifice and prayed alongside a woman bishop. [5]

Apparently in Lutheranism (as with the rest of the world), women are seen as authoritative equals to men. At the 500^th anniversary of Luther’s posting his 95 theses (Oct. 31, 2017 Halloween or Protestant Day) German Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Frank-Walter Steinmeier attended several ceremonies in Wittenberg, starting with a service at All Saints’ Church (Schlosskirche), the church Luther posted his gripes. Merkel’s father was a Lutheran pastor.

“Pope” Francis has taken the veneration of Luther to a whole new level. On Oct. 16, 2016, Francis held a papal audience with a group of Protestants. However, he first ordered a relatively large statue of Luther to be placed in the Vatican for the event (see above picture). The Protestants would later give Francis a copy of the 95 theses, which he happily accepted. [6]

On Halloween, 2016, the joint Lutheran and “Catholic” common prayer in Lund, Sweden, was concelebrated by Francis and Bishop Munib A. Younan, the President of the Lutheran World Federation. They signed a joint statement with the commitment to continue the ecumenical journey together towards the unity Christ prayed for, (cf. John 17:21). [7] Apparently, they believe that Christ’s prayer for unity has failed for 500 years.

On Nov. 23, 2017, the Vatican issued a postage stamp featuring Martin Luther and Philip Melanchthon, marking the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Revolution. [8] The stamp presents the heretics at the foot of the Cross as symbol of their faithful witness of Christ. I can easily see Chancellor Merkel involved in issuing such a stamp, but the Vatican? Why not? After all, they’ve been venerating Luther for over 30 years.

What’s next from ole “Pope” Francis and the Vatican? Perhaps, it will be the beatification and canonization of Luther. [9] A priest told me that in his seminary days, there was talk about canonizing Luther.

It is beyond my comprehension how anyone claiming to be Catholic can’t see how praising Luther and Protestantism is 100% proof that the Vatican 2 popes are not Catholic popes of the Catholic Church. The Vatican 2 popes are not just feeding people with the poisonous food of error of history, doctrine, and practice, but they become the very gates of hell that Christ guarantees will not prevail against His Catholic Church. [10]

Now that I think about it, I probably should list the Vatican 2 popes in front of Luther, Arius, and even Judas as the most wicked and notorious men in all of history. They have done more damage to the Catholic Church than all the heretics, heathens, and infidels put together.

 

Footnotes:

[1] Twice this Catechism teaches that Judas Iscariot went to hell by implication.

“Such certainly was the condition of Judas, who, repenting, hanged himself, and thus lost soul and body.”  (p. 264 Catechism of the Council of Trent, TAN Books.)

“they derive no other fruit from their priesthood than was derived by Judas from the Apostleship, which only brought him everlasting destruction.” (p. 319)

[2]  http://www.catholicityblog.com/2016/11/the-death-of-luther.html

Monday, November 28, 2016

How did Luther Die?

The official Protestant version narrates that the greatest architect of the Christian rupture died of a natural death on February 15, 1546, after a trip to Eisleben and suffering from angina pectoris; Was it really like this?

A contemporary German scholar, Dietrich Emme, offers a very different version in a review of events. In his book “Martin Luther, Seine Jugend und Studienzeit 1483-1505. Eine dokumentarische Darstelleng “[1] (“Martin Luther: Youth and Years of Study from 1483 to 1505. Bonn 1983”) points out that Luther committed suicide, and he is not alone in pointing this out.

Likewise, a Freudian psychoanalyst, M. Roland Dalbiez, in his study Luther’s Anguish [2], attributes him “… a very serious neurosis of anguish, so grave that one may wonder whether it has not been due to a border-state between neurosis on the one hand and “suicide raptus” on the other, a teleological anti-suicidal automatism”[3].

Indeed, Luther had suicidal tendencies, as it can be corroborated in his own “Tischreden” (“Table Talk”), where one of his conversations with Pastor Güben Leonhard Beyer, in 1551 is documented:

“He told us that when he was a prisoner the devil had wickedly tormented him and that he had laughed heartily when he (Luther) took a knife in his hand, saying:” Go ahead! Kill yourself! “(…). This has happened to me very often, so much as to put a knife in my hand … and what evil thoughts came to mind in this way, so evil that I could no longer pray “[4].

In 1606, Franciscan Heinrich Sedulius in his “Preaescriptiones adversus haereses”, narrates something analogous bringing up the valuable testimony of Ambrosio Kudtfeld, a witness and man of confidence of the “reformer” who, far from accounting a death from angina , says:

“On the night before his death, Martin Luther let himself be overcome by his habitual intemperance and in such excess that we were obliged to take him, completely drunk, and place him in his bed. Then, we retired to our bedroom, without sensing anything unpleasant! The next morning, we went back to our lord to help him get dressed, as usual. Then – oh, what a pain! – we saw our master Martin hanging from the bed and strangled miserably! His mouth was crooked, th right part of his face was black, his neck was red and deformed.”[5]

Indeed, at that time raised beds supported by columns were used.

“In the face of this horrible spectacle, we felt great fear! We ran, without delay, to the princes, his guests of the day before, to announce to them the execrable end of Luther! They, full of terror like us, immediately promised us, with a thousand promises and the most solemn oaths, to observe, with respect to that event, an eternal silence. Then they ordered us to remove the rope from Luther’s hideous corpse, lay him on his bed, and then report to the people that “Master Luther” had suddenly abandoned this life!”[6]

Maritain himself points out that Dr. De Coster, who examined Luther, explained that the deceased’s mouth was crooked with the face black and the neck red and deformed [7].

Likewise, Oratorian priest Bozio, in his book “De Signis Ecclesiae”, published in 1592 [8], points out that one of the reformer’s household indicated that his lord was found hanged from the columns of his bed; Dr. Géorges Claudin says the same: [9].

As Villa points out, “Luther, then, did not die a natural death, as has been falsely written in all the history books of Protestantism, but died as a suicidal, hanged from his bed after a splendid dinner,  in which, as usual, he had drunk too much and was satisfied with food beyond all bounds!”[10].

Paradoxically, that February 15, 1546, feast of the Chair of St. Peter, he, who had railed against the Church, the Papacy, and the Catholic doctrine, voluntarily abandoned his mortal life at three in the morning, the anti-hour of Redemption that Our Lord Jesus Christ brought to us on Calvary.

It’s sad: but that’s the end of those who live in a bad way.

Don’t let them deceive you…

1. Javier Olivera Ravasi

SOURCE. Translated from Spanish by Catholicity blog.

[1] It is worth saying that the two most competent historians in Germany on Luther’s life: Dr. Theobald Beer and Prof. Remigius Baumer, have corroborated both the material and the documents cited by Emme.

[2] Roland Dalbiez, L’angoisse de Luther, Tequi, Paris 1974.

[3] Luigi Villa, Martin Lutero, Homicidal and Suicidal, Civilta, Brescia s/f, 5 (http://www.chiesaviva.com/lutero%20omicida%20e%20suicida/lutero%20homicida%20y%20suicida.pdf),

[4] Luigi Villa, op. cit., 12 13.

[5] Ibídem, 16. The text in Latin can be seen in Heinrici Seduli ex Ordine Minorum, Praescriptiones adversus haereses, Officina Plantiniana, Antwerp 1606, 257 pp. (online version here: http://bajarlibros.co/libro/f.-heinrici-seduli-ex-ordine-minorum-praescriptiones-adversus-haereses/bwjIJTfTtzjt2o2G/)

[6] Ibídem.  An interesting coincidence is that Maritain narrates in his book “Three Reformers” that several friends, companions and first disciples of Luther also committed suicide.

[7] Maritain’s information is contained in the French edition, not the Spanish one.

[8] Tomás Bozio, De signis Ecclesiae, Pedro Landry, Lyon 1593-1594, 3 vols.

[9] Géorges Claudin, La mort de Luther, Noisy-Le-Sec, Paris 1900, 99 ( http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9323938.r).

[10] Luigi Villa, op. Cit., 17.

[3] https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/fathers-of-mercy-priest-enters-subsists-debate/

Also,

JOINT DECLARATION ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION  by the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church

Nov. 1, 1999

44. We give thanks to the Lord for this decisive step forward on the way to overcoming the division of the church. We ask the Holy Spirit to lead us further toward that visible unity which is Christ’s will.

Comment:  It’s saying Lutherans are part of the Body of Christ the Church and that the Church of Christ is not even visibly unified. Edward Cardinal Cassidy (President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity) informed us that John Paul II approved and blessed the Joint Declaration.

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/06/world/pope-praises-luther-in-an-appeal-for-unity-on-protest-anniversary.html

[5]

https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A357rcRatzLuther.html

and https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A438-Erfurt.html

[6] https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A700-Luther.html

[7] https://zenit.org/articles/joint-statement-for-end-of-commemoration-of-reformation/

[8] https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/11/vatican-issues-stamp-featuring-martin-luther-reformation-anniversary/

[9] https://www.traditioninaction.org/bev/195bev09_30_2016.htm

[10] https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2020/02/12/the-gates-of-hell-and-the-gates-of-the-church-revisited/

 

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St. Isidore, the Farmer

St. Isidore and his wife, St. Mary de la Cabeza

Today is the Feast Day of St. Isidore, the Farmer. He is the patron saint of my business, which is named after him, St. Isidore Landscape. His feast day on March 22 lands about the time my landscape and lawn service begins. I’m getting very excited to work again after the winter months of cold and hard work of chopping wood by hand to warm my home. I want to honor him by posting Rev. Alban Butler’s writing about him.

ST. ISIDORE OF MADRID, LABORER, PATRON OF MADRID

It is a misfortune which deserves to be lamented with floods of tears, that ignorance, obstinacy, and vice should so often taint a country life, the state which of all others is most necessary and important to the world; the most conformable to a human condition and to nature; the state which was sanctified by the example of the primitive holy patriarchs, and which affords the most favorable opportunities for the perfect practice of every virtue and Christian duty. What advantageous helps to piety did the ancient hermits seek in the deserts, which the circumstances of a country laborer do not offer? The life of St. Isidore is a most sensible proof of this assertion. He was born at Madrid, of poor but very devout parents, and was christened Isidore from the name of their patron, St. Isidore of Seville. They had not the means to procure him learning or a polite education; but, both by word and example, they infused into his tender soul the utmost horror and dread of all sin, and the most vehement ardor for every virtue, and especially for prayer. Good books are a great help to holy meditation; but not indispensably requisite. St. Irenaeus mentions whole nations which believed in Christ, and abounded in exemplary livers, without knowing the use of ink or paper. Many illustrious anchorets knew no other alphabet than that of humility and divine charity. The great St. Antony himself could not so much as read the Greek or Latin languages: nay, from the words of St. Austin, some doubt whether he could read even his own barbarous Egyptian dialect. Yet in the science of the saints, what philosopher or orator ever attained to the A B C of that great man? Learning, if it puffs up the mind, or inspires any secret self-sufficiency, is an impediment to the communications of the Holy Ghost: simplicity and sincere humility being the dispositions which invite him into the soul. By these was Isidore prepared to find him an interior instructor and comforter. His earnestness in seeking lessons and instructions of piety made him neglect no opportunity of hearing them; and so much the more tender and the deeper were the impressions which they left in his soul, as his desire was the stronger and the more pure. His patience in bearing all injuries and in overcoming the envy of fellow-servants by cordial kindnesses, his readiness to obey his masters, and in indifferent things to comply with the inclinations of others, and humbly to serve every one, gave him the most complete victory over himself and his passions. Labor he considered as enjoined him by God in punishment of sin, and for a remedy against it. And he performed his work in a spirit of compunction and penance. Many object that their labors and fatigues leave them little time for the exercises of religion. But Isidore, by directing his attention according to the most holy motives of faith, made his work a most perfect act of religion. He considered it as a duty to God. Therefore he applied himself to it with great diligence and care, in imitation of the angels in heaven, who in all things fulfil the will of God with the greatest readiness and alacrity of devotion. The more humbling and the more painful the labor was, the dearer it was to the saint, being a means the more suitable to tame his flesh, and a more noble part of his penance. With the same spirit that the saints subdued their bodies by toils in their deserts, Isidore embraced his task. He moreover sanctioned it by continual prayer. While his hand held the plough, he in his heart conversed with God, with his angel guardian, and the other blessed spirits; sometimes deploring the sins of the world, and his own spiritual miseries, at other times in the melting words of the royal prophet, raising his desires to the glory of the heavenly Jerusalem. It was chiefly by this perfect spirit of prayer, joined with, or rather engrafted upon a most profound humility and spirit of mortification, that St. Isidore arrived at so eminent a degree of sanctity as rendered him the admiration of all Spain. In his youth he was retained servant by a gentleman named John de Vargas of Madrid, to till his land and do his husbandry work. The saint afterwards took a most virtuous woman to wife, named Mary Toribia. Those who call her de la Cabeza were deceived by a chapel to which that name is given, because her head is kept in it. After the birth of one child, which died young, the parents, by mutual consent, served God in perfect continency.

St. Isidore continued always in the service of the same master. On account of his fidelity, he could say to him as Jacob did to Laban, [1] that, to guard and improve his stock, he had often watched the nights, and had suffered the scorching heats of summer, and the cold of winter; and that the stock, which he found small, had been exceedingly increased in his hands. Don John de Vargas, after long experience of the treasure he possessed in this faithful ploughman, treated him as a brother, according to the advice of Ecclesiasticus, [2] Let a wise servant be dear to thee as thy own soul. He allowed him the liberty of assisting daily at the public office of the church. On the other side, Isidore was careful by rising very early, to make his devotions no impediment to his business, nor any encroachment upon what he owed to his master. This being a duty of justice, it would have been a false devotion to have pretended to please God by a neglect of such an obligation; much less did the good servant indulge his compassionate charity to the poor, by relieving them otherwise than out of his own salary. The saint was sensible that in his fidelity, diligence, and assiduous labor consisted, in great part, the sanctification of his soul; and that his duty to his master was his duty to God. He also inspired his wife with the same confidence in God, the same love of the poor, and the same disengagement from the things of this world: he made her the faithful imitatrix of his virtues, and a partner in his good works. She died in 1175, and is honored in Spain among the saints. Her immemorial veneration was approved by pope Innocent XII. in 1697. See Benedict XIV., de Canoniz. 1. 2, c. 24, p. 246.

St. Isidore being seized with the sickness of which he died, foretold his last hour, and prepared himself for it with redoubled fervor, and with the most tender devotion, patience, and cheerfulness. The piety with which he received the last sacraments drew tears from all that were present. Repeating inflamed acts of divine love, he expired on the 15th of May, 1170, being near sixty years of age. His death was glorified by miracles. After forty years, his body was removed out of the churchyard into the church of St. Andrew. It has been since placed in the bishop’s chapel, and during these five hundred years remains entire and fresh, being honored by a succession of frequent miracles down to this time. The following, among others, is very well attested. Philip III., in his return from Lisbon, was taken so ill at Casarubios del Monte, that his life was despaired of by his physicians. Whereupon the shrine of St. Isidore was ordered to be carried in a solemn procession of the clergy, court, and people, from Madrid to the chamber of the sick king. The joint prayers of many prevailed. At the same time the shrine was taken out of the church, the fever left the king; and upon its being brought into his chamber, he was perfectly cured. The year following the body of the saint was put into a new rich shrine, which cost one thousand six hundred ducats of gold. St. Isidore had been beatified a little before by Paul V., in 1619, at the solicitation of the same king. His solemn canonization was performed, at the request of king Philip IV., on the 12th of March, 1622; though the bull was only made public by Benedict XIII. See the life of St. Isidore, written by John of Madrid, one hundred and forty years after his death; and Card. Lambertini, de Canoniz. SS. t. 3.

Endnotes

1 Gen. xxxi. 40; xxx 30.

2 Eccles. vii. 28.

(Taken from Vol. V of “The Lives or the Fathers, Martyrs and Other Principal Saints” by the Rev. Alban Butler, the 1864 edition published by D. & J. Sadlier, & Company)

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Vatican 2, Islam, and Pope St. Gregory VII

The Vatican 2 document Lumen Gentium declares:

 “16. But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”

The first part clearly implies that Muslims acknowledge the one true God, because they profess to hold the faith of Abraham. The second part is interesting, because many Muslims actually do believe that Jesus (Mahdi) will judge mankind on the last day, but they don’t adore Him as God. Another Muslim opinion is that the Mahdi (not Jesus but someone sent by God with Jesus) will judge mankind. So what gives?

Vatican 2 implies that Muslims worship Jesus although not realizing it as they reject Him as God.

As a side note, the Koran (Qur’an) says that Jesus and Mary are sinless, but not Muhammad. The Koran also says that Jesus comes back to fight antichrist but not anti-Muhammad. My question, why is Muhammad and not Jesus the great prophet in Islam? I digress.

In the Vatican 2 document Nostra aetate (Declaration on the church’s relation to non-Christian religions), the council declared:

“3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting….Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.”

Footnote 5 references a 1076 A.D. letter written by Pope St. Gregory VII to Anzir (Nacir), King of Mauritania (present day Algeria) (Pl. 148, col. 450f.). The relevant part of saint’s letter reads:

“Almighty God, who wishes that all should be saved and none lost, approves nothing in so much as that after loving Him one should love his fellow man, and that one should not do to others, what one does not want done to oneself. You and we owe this charity to ourselves especially because we believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way, and daily praise and venerate him, the creator of the world and ruler of this world.”

The key Latin phrase “unum Deum, licet diverso modo” does not say that we worship the same God. Pope St. Gregory VII chose his words carefully. He didn’t say they believe and confess a false god or the true God. As Novus Ordo priest Rev. John L. Ubel puts it, “Pope St. Gregory VII was a skilled diplomat.” The pope was thanking the Muslim king for freeing Christian prisoners, for sending gifts, and for requesting that he (pope) send a bishop to minister to the Catholics living under Anazir’s jurisdiction. The pope’s letter was a response to the good-will gesture of a Muslim king. The pope also suggested in the letter to send two aides in hopes of establishing commercial ties. [1]

Vatican 2 implies that Pope St. Gregory VII wrote that Muslims “adore the one God.” He didn’t. On that point, Vatican 2 gives a subjective interpretation, but it’s not objectively accurate. However, is Vatican 2 right that Muslims worship the true God? In the past, I’ve argued absolutely not and that it’s one of the main heresies in Vatican 2. See Why Sedevacantism?

This article was going to reemphasize that point until I began to think hard about each argument. I thought maybe it is possible Muslims acknowledge the same God as Christianity, but with a complete misunderstanding of Him. I figured if the Apostles worshiped God but not Jesus (before they came to believe in Jesus) that by logical extension, it’s possible that God can be acknowledged but not Jesus as with Muslims.

I think the best people to answer the question are those who’ve converted out of Islam into Catholicism. Catholic convert Daniel Ali from Islam gives us the answer to the question. Daniel Ali emphatically tells that we don’t worship the same God. [2]

Conclusion

Vatican 2 and the Vatican 2 popes teach that Muslims worship the same God as Christianity.

Pope St. Gregory VII did not say Muslims and Catholics worship the same God as Vatican 2 implies. The pope said, “we believe in and confess one God,” which is a fact.

Catholic converts from Islam admit that Allah is not the same God as Christianity.

 

Footnotes:

[1] https://www.cathedralsaintpaul.org/sites/default/files/files/2014-09-07_weekly%20column.pdf

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBdG59TSDog See 15:15 to 15:23 and 17:25 where Daniel Ali repeated that we don’t have the same God.

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