Homosexuality, the Vatican 2 Religion, and the Mark of Oneness

I’m surprised that the Vatican 2 religion keeps going the way it does, but there may be a good answer. If the Lexington Diocese reflects the rest of the Vatican 2 religion, then we may have the answer.

Most of the priests here are homosexual or homosexual friendly (meaning it’s not that sinful if at all). Bishop Stowe is the biggest LGBTQ supporting bishop in the United States and he was hand-picked and supported by none other than “Pope” Francis himself.

The following 2020 poll (taken from https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/02/how-catholics-around-the-world-see-same-sex-marriage-homosexuality/)  shows where the Vatican 2 religion is going and I suspect it’s directly related to the membership increase, since the world is going in the same direction. The Vatican 2 religion is a cultural religion that goes with the flow as the following poll nicely proves. 

The Gallup Poll also shows how Vatican 2 Catholics support same-sex unions. Even “Pope” Francis calls for Sodomite civil unions.

The significance of these facts goes right to the heart on how the Vatican 2 religion can’t possibly be the Catholic Faith. 

Pope Leo XIII declared in his Encyclical, Satis Cognitum (On the Unity of the Church), June 29, 1896:

“But he who dissents even in one point from divinely revealed truth absolutely rejects all faith, since he thereby refuses to honour God as the supreme truth and the formal motive of faith.”

Rejecting “all faith” is apostasy, not mere heresy. Homosexuality is contrary to the Natural Law, which is written on all the hearts of all men. Like atheism, there’s no excuse for believing and professing that homosexuality is okay. 

May a Catholic profess to be an atheist openly and repeatedly and remain a member of the Catholic Church? Has the Vatican 2 Church stooped to the level that belief in God is not necessary to be a Catholic? Yet, that’s precisely what Vatican 2 apologists are arguing in principle with homosexuality.

If you’re a member of the Vatican 2 religion, you are united in faith with apostates that we know are apostates without doubt. 

The Mark of Oneness or Unity has no meaning in the Vatican 2 religion. Vatican 2 apologists must adopt a worse understanding of the oneness mark of the Church than even Protestants. 

Pope Leo XIII’s entire Satis Cognitum encyclical is on the oneness mark of the Church. He explains that “the eminence of the Church arises from its unity, as the principle of its constitution – a unity surpassing all else, and having nothing like unto it or equal to it”

No other religion has the mark of oneness as the Catholic Church.

Pope Leo continues to explain “So the Christian is a Catholic as long as he lives in the body: cut off from it he becomes a heretic – the life of the spirit follows not the amputated member…

Wherefore, in His divine wisdom, He ordained in His Church Unity of Faith; a virtue which is the first of those bonds which unite man to God, and whence we receive the name of the faithful – “one Lord, one faith, one baptism” (Eph. iv., 5). That is, as there is one Lord and one baptism, so should all Christians, without exception, have but one faith…

It is of the greatest importance and indeed of absolute necessity, as to which many are deceived, that the nature and character of this unity should be recognized. And, as We have already stated, this is not to be ascertained by conjecture, but by the certain knowledge of what was done; that is by seeking for and ascertaining what kind of unity in faith has been commanded by Jesus Christ…

He requires the assent of the mind to all truths without exception. It was thus the duty of all who heard Jesus Christ, if they wished for eternal salvation, not merely to accept His doctrine as a whole, but to assent with their entire mind to all and every point of it, since it is unlawful to withhold faith from God even in regard to one single point.

The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium. Epiphanius, Augustine, Theodore :, drew up a long list of the heresies of their times. St. Augustine notes that other heresies may spring up, to a single one of which, should any one give his assent, he is by the very fact cut off from Catholic unity. “No one who merely disbelieves in all (these heresies) can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or may arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic” (S. Augustinus, De Haeresibus, n. 88).

The need of this divinely instituted means for the preservation of unity, about which we speak is urged by St. Paul in his epistle to the Ephesians. In this he first admonishes them to preserve with every care concord of minds: “Solicitous to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Eph. iv., 3, et seq.). And as souls cannot be perfectly united in charity unless minds agree in faith, he wishes all to hold the same faith: “One Lord, one faith,” and this so perfectly one as to prevent all danger of error: “that henceforth we be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive” (Eph. iv., 14): and this he teaches is to be observed, not for a time only – “but until we all meet in the unity of faith…unto the measure of the age of the fullness of Christ” (13). But, in what has Christ placed the primary principle, and the means of preserving this unity? In that – “He gave some Apostles – and other some pastors and doctors, for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ” (11-12)…”

Here we see that the leaders are the primary principle and means of preserving the unity. Yet, in the Vatican 2 religion, it’s precisely in their leaders that there’s disunity in faith. I give one example with homosexuality, but I could easily provide more examples. Pope Leo continues…

“It is therefore clear that all doctrine which agrees with that of the Apostolic churches – the matrices and original centers of the faith, must be looked upon as the truth, holding without hesitation that the Church received it from the Apostles, the Apostles from Christ and Christ from God….We are in communion with the Apostolic churches, and by the very fact that they agree amongst themselves we have a testimony of the truth…”

The Vatican 2 churches do not agree amongst themselves over the Natural Law, much less, all the other common doctrines of the Church. The Vatican 2 people are not in unity over the Natural Law as the polls clearly indicate. Absolutely nothing is done about it by the leaders except maybe encouragement of the vice. Where are the condemnations of the bishops with the other bishops? They don’t condemn each other, because they recognize each other as members of the same religion regardless of the Natural Law. It’s The Believe-Whatever-You-Want Religion of Bergoglio.

Pope Leo continues…

“In many things they are with me, in a few things not with me; but in those few things in which they are not with me the many things in which they are will not profit them” (S. Augustinus in Psal. liv., n. 19). And this indeed most deservedly; for they, who take from Christian doctrine what they please, lean on their own judgments, not on faith; and not “bringing into captivity every understanding unto the obedience of Christ” (2 Cor. x., 5), they more truly obey themselves than God. “You, who believe what you like, believe yourselves rather than the gospel” (S. Augustinus, lib. xvii., Contra Faustum Manichaeum, cap. 3).

For this reason the Fathers of the Vatican Council laid down nothing new, but followed divine revelation and the acknowledged and invariable teaching of the Church as to the very nature of faith, when they decreed as follows: “All those things are to be believed by divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the written or unwritten word of God, and which are proposed by the Church as divinely revealed, either by a solemn definition or in the exercise of its ordinary and universal Magisterium” (Sess. iii., cap. 3). Hence, as it is clear that God absolutely willed that there should be unity in His Church, and as it is evident what kind of unity He willed, and by means of what principle He ordained that this unity should be maintained, we may address the following words of St. Augustine to all who have not deliberately closed their minds to the truth: “When we see the great help of God, such manifest progress and such abundant fruit, shall we hesitate to take refuge in the bosom of that Church, which, as is evident to all, possesses the supreme authority of the Apostolic See through the Episcopal succession? In vain do heretics rage round it; they are condemned partly by the judgment of the people themselves, partly by the weight of councils, partly by the splendid evidence of miracles. To refuse to the Church the primacy is most impious and above measure arrogant. And if all learning, no matter how easy and common it may be, in order to be fully understood requires a teacher and master, what can be greater evidence of pride and rashness than to be unwilling to learn about the books of the divine mysteries from the proper interpreter, and to wish to condemn them unknown?” (De Unitate Credendi, cap. xvii., n. 35).

It is then undoubtedly the office of the church to guard Christian doctrine and to propagate it in its integrity and purity. But this is not all: the object for which the Church has been instituted is not wholly attained by the performance of this duty. For, since Jesus Christ delivered Himself up for the salvation of the human race, and to this end directed all His teaching and commands, so He ordered the Church to strive, by the truth of its doctrine, to sanctify and to save mankind. But faith alone cannot compass so great, excellent, and important an end. There must needs be also the fitting and devout worship of God, which is to be found chiefly in the divine Sacrifice and in the dispensation of the Sacraments, as well as salutary laws and discipline. All these must be found in the Church, since it continues the mission of the Saviour for ever. The Church alone offers to the human race that religion – that state of absolute perfection – which He wished, as it were, to be incorporated in it. And it alone supplies those means of salvation which accord with the ordinary counsels of Providence…“

Those holding Vatican 2 offices do not teach or guard the whole truth, which sanctifies and saves mankind.

Pope Leo continues…

“Furthermore, the eminence of the Church arises from its unity, as the principle of its constitution – a unity surpassing all else, and having nothing like unto it or equal to it” (S. Clemens Alexandrinus, Stronmatum lib. viii., c. 17). For this reason Christ, speaking of the mystical edifice, mentions only one Church, which he calls His own – “I will build my church; ” any other Church except this one, since it has not been founded by Christ, cannot be the true Church. This becomes even more evident when the purpose of the Divine Founder is considered. For what did Christ, the Lord, ask? What did He wish in regard to the Church founded, or about to be founded? This: to transmit to it the same mission and the same mandate which He had received from the Father, that they should be perpetuated. This He clearly resolved to do: this He actually did. “As the Father hath sent me, I also send you” (John xx., 21). “Ad thou hast sent Me into the world I also have sent them into the world” (John xvii., 18). But the mission of Christ is to save that which had perished.“

Are we to believe the Vatican 2 leaders really carry on this mission? Are they even trying to save mankind at this point because they think everybody is already saved? They either encourage homosexuality or are quiet about the evils of it by permitting it and recognizing as legitimate authorities of the Church who actually do encourage it. They all claim to be one in faith!

Regardless as to which side of the fence you stand on the issue of homosexuality, to be a Vatican 2 Catholic, you must completely chuck Pope Leo XIII’s teaching and the Catholic Mark of Unity!

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Ugly Churches of Kentucky – More Rotten Fruit of Vatican 2

In 2001, Michael Rose published “Ugly as Sin,” which showed how the Vatican 2 religion builds its new churches. Over the past several years, http://www.NovusOrdoWatch.com has published numerous posts showing more of the same in Germany, Austria, and Italy. [1] (See Footnote for a list of them.) N.O.W. included American churches as well.

Paul Joseph Watson has posted two interesting videos explaining the purpose of the new architecture throughout the world and why architecture is important:

Why Modern Architecture SUCKS – YouTube

Latest Atrocities in Modern Architecture – YouTube

(There may be bad language in some of Watson’s videos)

I don’t have to look any further than my surrounding communities in Kentucky and find the same hideous buildings called “Catholic Churches.”

In my hometown, St. Leo’s is one of those churches built in 1989. The late Fr. McDonald (one of my old confessors) was responsible for this design and he loved it. I remember telling him I how Protestant it looked. 

I took the following pictures of St. Leo Church on 1/22/23. 

The entrance isn’t that bad as you’re welcomed with big statues of Mary and Joseph.

The Protestant-styled outside is reflected in the inside. It’s big, cold, and mostly empty. It smelled nice, but it didn’t feel nice. There was a lady praying up front behind the altar. When I grew up in the Vatican 2 sect, we didn’t hang out in the sanctuary, because that was considered a sacred area. We didn’t feel entitled to do anything but clean the sanctuary after mass. There’s obviously not the same reverence anymore. Then again, these churches reflect the irreverent Vatican 2 faith.

The old St. Leo’s is still standing and now used for Chiropractics. It’s small but has a traditional Catholic style. It was built in 1893.  

The next town just north of us is Frankfort, the capital city of Kentucky. Their church is Good Shepherd. The old Church was absolutely beautiful! Pictures of the old church are found here. 

However, the new Good Shepherd Church built in 1997 is quite the contrary. I’ve been told by reliable sources that another one of my old confessors, the late Fr. Keller designed the new church. We considered him a staunch conservative, too. 

I took the following pictures of Good Shepherd on 1/20/23. As I was taking these pictures, one of the parishioners said to me, “Isn’t it a beautiful church?” God love the man, but how sad. It looks like anything but a Catholic Church. In fact, when I showed my non-Catholic friend the following picture, he said, “That’s a church? I drive by it all the time and didn’t know what it was.” 

The inside feels cold and completely devoid of God. At least, there’s a fairly nice crucifix.  

There’s a nice image of Our Lady of Guadalupe in the following picture. It has no big statues worth noting. The Stations of the Cross are just pitiful. We had bigger and nicer ones in St. Lawrence Catholic Church back in the 1970’s and 80’s, which is a church that could barely hold a hundred people. 

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I thought Good Shepherd was the worst ever until I visited the next church. I took the following pictures on 1/26/23

You are looking at the back view of Pax Christi of Lexington, Ky, which you see from Man-O-War Blvd. The following picture is the front of the Church where you enter. 

The next pictures are the east and west sides of the building.

If you think the outside is bad, it actually gets worse in the inside. The other two churches felt cold and empty, but this makes you feel like you’re being mocked. Catholic architecture should give glory to God, but Pax Christi is anti-Catholic. If you remember my post 

Breakfast with a Novus Ordo Priest

 you’ll remember the celebrated Larry Hehman, who just so happens to be the priest behind Pax Christi. 

The following pictures show the altar.

The left side of the altar is the choir and family room.

They went out of their way with the Stations of the Cross (3 examples below). All I can say is it’s SORRY!

The following picture is an armless Christ without the Cross, which is mounted behind the “sanctuary.” Think about the symbolism of this image. The devil hates the Cross and behold, it’s missing. We work with our arms and hands. Priests who represent Christ have their hands anointed. Why are the outstretched arms and hands of Christ amputated? This blasphemous depiction is par for the course for such a satanic church. 

Not only is the Vatican 2 faith devoid of the sacred, so are their church buildings. I guess they gutted the churches to reflect the gutted sacredness of the Catholic faith from the Vatican 2 religion. There’s no reason why the churches should look traditional, when the religion and its leaders aren’t. 

The Catholic Faith heals and strengthens souls. Not so with the Vatican 2 religion. It’s a sick religion that makes souls sick. Their architecture alone demonstrates this fact. The heresy of modernism is even in their architecture, which is more of the rotten fruit of Vatican 2. Millions of dollars are spent on these awful churches and their parishioners keep giving more money to the organization that keeps feeding them garbage in their giant garbage can churches. Most of them love their churches or don’t care at all. Their sickness of soul is beyond me. 

I could have continued in my leg work of going from church to church. I could have included several more churches in Lexington, such as St. Elizebeth Ann Seton or Mary Queen of the Holy Rosary. I think the cathedral is bad, too, but you get the idea. I’m sure every big city has its own new ugly so-called Catholic churches.

For the road, I’ve included below 3 more modernists church buildings found in the diocese.

The following pictures were taken from https://cdlex.org/parish-finder/?swLat=32.45131389745787&swLng=-90.817062415625&neLat=43.25875336670313&neLng=-78.204757728125

Jesus Our Savior Church in Morehead, KY

Sts. John and Elizabeth Church in Grayson, KY

St. Sylvester Church in Waynesburg, KY

 

 

Footnote [1]

No Holy Spirit here: Welcome to the “Tent” Church of the Unholy Ghost – Novus Ordo Watch

Church of the Squashed Mushroom? St. James the Apostle Parish in Ferrara, Italy – Novus Ordo Watch

Spiritually Diseased Architecture: “Resurrection Church” in Viareggio, Italy – Novus Ordo Watch

Where the Sacred IS the Profane: St. Nicholas Church in Neuried, Germany – Novus Ordo Watch

New Churches for a New Religion: Welcome to “Most Holy Trinity Church” in Austria – Novus Ordo Watch

Blasphemous Architecture: Holy Family Church in Salerno, Italy – Novus Ordo Watch

The Novus Horror Church of St. Martin – Novus Ordo Watch

Welcome to Monster Church! – Novus Ordo Watch

Introducing… Autobahn Church! – Novus Ordo Watch

Welcome to ‘Garnet Chapel’ in Austria – Novus Ordo Watch

MUST-SEE: St. Jacob “Catholic” Chapel in Austria – Novus Ordo Watch

Introducing “God’s Castle” – Novus Ordo Watch

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Chair of Unity Octave

Today the Church begins her Chair of Unity Octave which she prays for all those who are not Catholic for their conversion to the true Catholic Faith. We pray the following prayers from the Feast of the Chair of St. Peter at Rome (Jan. 18) to the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul (Jan. 25): 

Official Prayer

Antiphon: That they all may be one, as Thou, Father, in Me and I in Thee; that they also may be one in Us; that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me. (John 17:21)  

V. I say unto thee that thou art Peter,  R. And upon this Rock I will build My Church. 

Let us pray: O Lord Jesus Christ, Who didst say to Thine Apostles: peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you; look not upon my sins, but upon the faith of Thy Church, and vouchsafe unto her that peace and unity which are agreeable to Thy Will. Who livest and reignest God forever and ever. Amen. 

 An indulgence of 300 days during the octave of prayers for the unity of the Church from the Feast of the Chair of St. Peter in Rome to the Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul. A plenary indulgence on the usual conditions at the end of the devout exercise. 

Other Prayers 

 Almighty and everlasting God, whose will it is that all men should be saved and that none should perish, look upon the souls that are deceived by the guile of Satan, in order that the hearts of them that have gone astray may put aside all the perverseness of heresy, and, being truly repentant, may return to the unity of Thy truth. Through Christ our Lord. Amen. 

From the Roman Missal. An indulgence of 3 years. 

Lord Jesus, merciful Saviour of the world, we humbly beseech Thee by Thy Most Sacred Heart, that all the straying sheep may turn unto Thee, the Shepherd and Bishop of their souls: Who livest and reignest world without end. Amen. 

An indulgence of 500 days (Pope St. Pius X, rescript in his own hand, Oct. 26, 1905, S. P. Ap., June 5, 1933.

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Death and Judgment

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Christ told us several things about how we should live in order to be saved.

Jesus said…

 “Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine: you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. 6 If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth. 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask whatever you will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 In this is my Father glorified; that you bring forth very much fruit, and become my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; as I also have kept my Father’s commandments, and do abide in his love.” (Matthew 15:4-10)

“But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

“For I tell you, that unless your justice abound more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 21 You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment. 22 But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:20-22)

“But if you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences.” (Matthew 6:15)

“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but to him that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven.” (Luke 12-10)

God through St. Paul taught…

“As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.” (Galatians 1:9)

“Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, 10 Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.” (I Corinthians 6:9-10)

“Take heed to thyself and to doctrine: be earnest in them. For in doing this thou shalt both save thyself and them that hear thee.” (I Timothy 4:16)

How many of us are not living right? How many of us are holding grudges against others? How many of us are fornicating with our boy and girl friends, being impure with ones self, or merely lusting after others? How many of us are getting drunk all the time, cheating others out of their money, or coveting our neighbor’s spouses or goods? How many of us are following false doctrines that are against the historic Christian Faith out of convenience?

Heaven has no place for us that live in any one of these sinful ways.

Today, our priest Fr. Oswalt posted the following writing of St. Alphonsus Liquori on preparation for death in our church bulletin. 

Preparation for Death

(St. Alphonsus M. Liguori) 1700’s 

Sixth Consideration, Death of the Sinner:  Third Point: God unceasingly threatens sinners with an unhappy death. “Then they shall call upon me, and I will not hear.”— Prov. i. 28. “Will God hear his cry when distress shall come upon him? ” — Job xxvii. 9. “I also will laugh in your destruction, and will mock.” — Prov. i. 26. According to St. Gregory, God laughs when he is unwilling to show mercy, ”Revenge is mine, and I will repay them in due time.” — Deut. xxxii. 35. The Lord pronounces the same threats in so many other places; and sinners live in peace as securely as if God had certainly promised to give them, at death, pardon and paradise. It is true that at whatsoever hour the sinner is converted, God promises to pardon him. But he has not promised that sinners shall be converted at death; on the contrary, he has often protested that “they who live in sin shall die in sin” — John viii. 21. “You shall die in your sins.” — Ibid. 24. He has declared that they who shall seek him at death, shall not find him. “You shall seek me, and shall not find me.” — John vii. 34. We must, therefore, seek God while he may be found. “Seek ye the Lord while he may be found.” — Isa. Iv. 6. A time shall come when it will not be in our power to find him. Poor blind sinners! they put off their conversion till death, when there shall be no more time for repentance. “The wicked,” says Oleaster, “have never learned to do good unless when the time for doing good is no more.” God wills the salvation of all; but he takes vengeance on obstinate sinners.

Should any man in the state of sin be seized with apoplexy and be deprived of his senses, what sentiments of compassion would be excited in all who should see him die without the sacraments and without signs of repentance! And how great should be their delight, if he recovered the use of his senses, asked for absolution, and made acts of sorrow for his sins! But is not he a fool, who has time to repent, and prefers to continue in sin? or who returns to sin, and exposes himself to the danger of being cut off by death without the sacraments, and without repentance? A sudden death excites terror in all; and still how many expose themselves to the danger of dying suddenly, and of dying in sin?

“Weight and balance are the judgments of the Lord.” — Prov. xvi. 11. We keep no account of the graces which God bestows upon us; but he keeps an account of them, he measures them; and when he sees them despised to a certain degree, he then abandons the sinner in his sin, and takes him out of life in that unhappy state. Miserable the man who defers his conversion till death. “The repentance which is sought from a sick man is infirm.” St. Jerome teaches, that of a hundred thousand sinners who continue in sin till death, scarcely one shall be saved. St. Vincent Ferrer writes, that it is a greater miracle to bring such sinners to salvation, than to raise the dead to life. What sorrow, what repentance can be expected at death from the man who has loved sin till that moment? Bellarmine relates that when he exhorted to contrition a certain person whom he assisted at death, the dying man said that he did not know what was meant by contrition. The holy bishop endeavored to explain it to him; but he said, “Father, I do not understand you; these things are too high for me.” He died in that state, leaving, as the venerable cardinal has written, sufficiently evident signs of his damnation. St. Augustine says, that, by a just chastisement, the sinner who has forgotten God during life, shall forget himself at death.

“Be not deceived,” says the apostle, “God is not mocked. For what things a man shall sow, those also shall he reap. For he that soweth in his flesh, of the flesh also shall he reap corruption.” — Gal. vi. 7. It would be a mockery of God to live in contempt of his laws, and afterwards to reap remuneration and eternal glory. But God is not mocked. What we sow in this life we reap in the next. For him who sows the forbidden pleasures of the flesh, nothing remains but corruption, misery, and eternal death.

Beloved Christian, what is said for others is also applicable to you. Tell me; if you were at the point of death, given over by the physicians, deprived of your senses, and in your last agony, with what fervor would you ask of God another month or week, to settle the accounts of your conscience! God at present gives you this time; thank him for it, and apply an immediate remedy to the evil you have done; adopt all the means of finding yourself in the grace of God when death shall come; for then there shall be no more time to acquire his friendship.

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Another Futile Attempt to Defend Vatican 2

In a recent open email with Robert Siscoe, I asked who are the baptized non-Catholics that are members of Christ’s Body and have a right to the Christian name, which Vatican 2 is referencing and to name them? [1]

Siscoe responded: “Anyone below the age of 14 who has been validly baptized, and who has not renounced Christianity.”

The problem with Siscoe’s answer is that Vatican 2 is not referring to just those under 14 or 5 or 6, but ALL of who’ve been baptized “and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.”

If Siscoe were correct, only those under 14 would be accepted as brothers by Catholics. However, the Vatican 2 popes are clear that all Eastern Orthodox and Protestants are considered as our brethren and use the term “separated brethren” in place of heretics and schismatics.

The right to be called Christian is an external forum issue, which necessarily means that Christ’s Body is a reference to the external forum. Christ’s Body in the external forum is the Catholic Church. This is why Pope Leo XIII declared in his 1896 Encyclical Satis Cognitum, #3: “For this reason the Church is so often called in Holy Writ a body, and even the body of Christ – “Now you are the body of Christ” (I Cor. xii., 27) – and precisely because it is a body is the Church visible…. 5 So the Christian is a Catholic as long as he lives in the body: cut off from it he becomes a heretic – the life of the spirit follows not the amputated member.”

Pope Pius IX declared in his Apostolic Letter to all Protestants and other Non-Catholics at the convocation of the Vatican Council, September 13, 1868, “Neither will it ever be able to be said that they are members and part of that Church as long as they remain visibly separated from Catholic unity.”

Siscoe remarked how I had stated in a previous email that, “You may call them [baptized non-Catholics] Christians out of conventional language, but they don’t have a right to it. This is another heresy of Vatican 2.”

Siscoe then replied, “It’s not a heresy.  Heresy is the denial of a dogma, that is, of a revealed truth that has been infallibly proposed as revealed by the Church. The Church has never defined the meaning of the word Christian, nor has she ever defined, as a revealed truth, that only those who are externally united to the Roman Catholic Church can be called Christians. truth.”  

Vatican 2 is saying that baptized non-Catholics have a right to the Christian name precisely because they are members of Christ’s Body. The heresy, which I was referring, is the denial that Christ’s Body is the Catholic Church. The Vatican 2 teaching denies the dogma that only Catholics are members of Christ’s Body (external forum). This is an oft repeated teaching.

Siscoe continued, “Therefore, it would not be heresy to refer to a Protestant or a Sedevacantist as a Christian.”

I didn’t say it was heresy to refer to a Protestant as a Christian. I said it was heresy to say they have a RIGHT to the name, because it denies the dogma on Christ’s Body and Eastern Orthodox and Protestants are outside of Christ’s Body (the Catholic Church in the external forum). 

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also…heretics and schismatics…” (Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441)

Pope Innocent III, Eius exemplo, Dec. 18, 1208: “By the heart we believe and by the mouth we confess the one Church, not of heretics, but the Holy Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.”

I could supply dozens of teachings that say that heretics are not members of the Church. 

Siscoe believes in the one Church of heretics, who all have a right to the Christian name, just as his modernist popes have officially taught. He tried to get around it by placing a 14 year age limit on the teaching, but it doesn’t come close to the truth of Vatican 2’s teaching.

I asked Siscoe if Christ’s Body is the Catholic Church in the external forum or not. I’m still waiting for an answer, but I don’t expect to get one, because this is one teaching of Vatican 2 that Siscoe can’t BS his way out of.

Footnote

[1] Referring to non-Catholics, Unitatis Redintegratio of Vatican 2 declared: For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. The differences that exist in varying degrees between them and the Catholic Church – whether in doctrine and sometimes in discipline, or concerning the structure of the Church – do indeed create many obstacles, sometimes serious ones, to full ecclesiastical communion. The ecumenical movement is striving to overcome these obstacles. But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ’s body, (21) and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church. (22)

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