Dear Patrick,
On Thursday’s show, Dec. 6, 2012, you stated, “starting in January onward, we’re doing a whole hour just on the phenomena of radical traditionalism, not just the SSPX, but folks we might affectionately call High Church Protestants…more Catholic than the popes, kind of a handy way of summarizing it.” [1]
This is not the first time you’ve called Catholics holding to the historic Catholic faith inviolate “High Church Protestants.”
Since Protestants are those who reject dogmas of the Church, my first challenge for you is to show that dogma that the SSPX, sedevacantists, etc. are rejecting which would make them Protestants. If you can’t do so, then I submit that you are guilty of bearing false witness against your neighbors, and expect a public apology on your radio show for your derogatory and slanderous remarks.
Please don’t resort to the argument that because traditionalists reject Vatican 2 they are heretics because as you and Tim Staples have admitted, Vatican 2 is not infallible in virtue of itself and therefore a rejection of it wouldn’t constitute a heresy. Also, Tim Staples has tried several times using the old straw-man that sedevacantists reject Vatican I’s definition of perpetual succession. Although, Tim has seen how his Protestant-like private interpretation of Vatican I is contrary to the explanation given by the Vatican’s own theologians, he continues, like the dishonest Mike Gendron, to perpetuate lies about the faith anyway.
My second challenge for you is to explain how your new religion founded in the 1960’s is not more like High Church Protestants when in Nov. 2011 your pope entered a Lutheran temple, praised the radical apostate Martin Luther, bowed towards their altar (which has no real sacrifice) and prayed alongside a women bishop of that apostate religion that has been anathematized by Trent.
I’m sure Tim Staples thinks this was a good thing as he also stated that he thought it was a good thing for Benedict XVI to go into a mosque, arms folded, shoes off, and bowing towards Mecca as he prayed alongside the Muslim leaders of Islam. He first denied that it ever happened on the radio and even called it a sin. I guess a sin actually becomes a good thing to good ole Tim, as long as his pope is doing it.
You believe and follow Vatican 2’s new definition and explanation of the Church, which falls more inline with Protestantism. Protestants believe that the Body of Christ (the Church) crosses all denominational lines and that it subsists in all denominations. The only difference between Protestantism and Vatican 2ism is that the latter teaches that it has the fullness of truth. The historic Catholic Faith, which you reject, teaches that the Church of Christ is one and the same as the Catholic Church. It doesn’t “extend much further than the Catholic Church” as your pope explained the meaning of Lumen Gentium’s word “subsists” in place of “is.” Vatican 2 teaches that all who have been baptized are members of the Church of Christ, which is simply not true. Heretics (baptized) are not members of Christ’s Body. They’ve been cut off. We don’t assume that everybody is invincibly ignorant and really inside the Church. We also don’t assume that everybody who has been baptized in invincible ignorance remains invincibly ignorant. We don’t call these non-Catholics Christians, yet, your religion says they all have a right to be called Christians.
Can you explain how you are not the real “High Church Protestant?”
Lastly, the whole, “more Catholic than the popes” is incredibly immature. Popes can and have been wrong, and they have been corrected by inferiors. I could give many examples, such as St. Peter Damiani who proved to have known better about Holy Orders than Pope St. Leo IX. Does that make the inferiors more Catholic? Of course not, because you can’t be more Catholic than another. One is either Catholic or not. The question is whether Benedict XVI is Catholic? I’ll be waiting to hear your explanation why he would be considered a Catholic when he apparently believes his actions in the Lutheran temple are good and righteous. If he believed that artificial contraception or homosexuality was good and promoted it, would you consider him a Catholic? All three are contrary to the Divine law, so what says Patrick Coffin?
I’ll be interested in hearing your one hour show in January devoted to traditional Catholicism. Catholic Answers has never been honest in the past about the subject, so it won’t be surprising to hear a terrible misrepresentation with a ton of straw-man arguments to go with it.
I will post this letter on my blog and any and all replies you send. Again, I expect a public apology on the radio if you can’t produce that heresy proclaimed by those traditional Catholics whom you label “High Church Protestants.”
Sincerely,
Steven Speray
Why are Patrick Coffin and Tiny Tim’s crowd so worried about traditional Catholics and not about Lutherans, Muslims, and Jews etc? Why patronize everybody who reject Catholicism’s teachings and then turn around and misrepresent and belittle those who are trying to clarify and defend it? What’s wrong with you Novus Ordo blind guides? Are numbers of people in your religion more important to you than the Catholic Faith?
A story is often told of the most unusual penance St. Philip Neri assigned to a woman for her sin of spreading gossip. The sixteenth-century saint instructed her to take a feather pillow to the top of the church bell tower, rip it open, and let the wind blow all the feathers away.
But the penance didn’t end there. St. Philip Neri gave her a second and more difficult task. He told her to come down from the bell tower and collect all the feathers that had been scattered throughout the town. The poor lady, of course, could not do it-and that was the point Philip Neri was trying to make in order to underscore the destructive nature of gossip.
PITIFUL ! Coffin…you ignoramus ..you fool! You are siding with a bishop (your illustrious potentate pope), the likes of Luther. Study your faith and let reality set in.
Study the faith before VAT II and not since VAT II. You might be amazed at the differences. The Chair of Peter will always remain the authority in the church and as a Catholic that is what you must believe. Who sits in the Chair of Peter is the other side of the equation (x does not equal y) If you are not totally blinded by your ignorance of the Faith you will see that Catholics have more than enough guidance on your Pope issues regarding their authority occupying the Chair of Peter. When you defend their non Catholic actions, teachings, examples and false intentions you become part of the destruction of the church. When you condone and support such a position and lead others to do the same you are not following the Traditional Church which has always been recognized as the True Catholic Church. When Mr. Coffin airs his show It would really mean something to mention all the issues in the Novus Ordo that have been condemned by the Traditional Catholic Church and those issues not cited by the Church. Bet we don’t hear a word!
May God in his Mercy show Mr. Coffin the place reserved in Hell for him so that he will stop his bad will programs. God showed St. Theresa of Avila the place for her in Hell if she sinned, even though she had not sinned.
How dare you criticize Patrick Coffin and Tim Staples/Catholic Answers. You are the ones who are outside the Catholic Church. Our current Holy Father (Pope Francis) as well as all his predecessors – are the true Vicars of Christ. You sedevacantists are schismatic, and are not in communion with the Catholic Church. Please refrain from making further comments about Catholic Answers and its staff – by doing so you are only showing your gross ignorance.
John
Why don’t you attempt to answer the challenge I propose to Patrick Coffin rather than complain that I’m criticizing him?
I will not refrain from making further comments about Catholic Answers and its staff. They are liars as I’ve proven on this blog! They constantly misrepresent sedevacantism to make themselves look good. You apparently haven’t read any of the materials, nor do you seem to care about the truth.
Please read carefully what I’m saying before making foolish comments.
How dare you defend pseudo Catholics. If Pope Frankie is a True Vicar of Christ and a Catholic, then prove how it’s possible to praise and participate in other religions that are against Jesus Christ and turn around and say you are the Vicar of Jesus Christ. Are you serious? You call sedevacantist schismatic, but in reality you belong to an apostate religion that does more harm than Judas Iscariot. Please refrain from making ridiculous comments like you did because by doing so you only show how pathetically ignorant you really are. Read more history